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For in all these there is grace or gracelessness. And gracelessness and evil rhythm and disharmony are akin to evil speaking and the evil temper but the opposites are the symbols and the kin of the opposites, the sober and good disposition. But we must look for those craftsmen who by the happy gift of nature are capable of following the trail of true beauty and grace, that our young men, dwelling as it were in a salubrious region, may receive benefit from all things about them, whence the influence that emanates from works of beauty may waft itself to eye or ear like a breeze that brings from wholesome places health,.
And further, because omissions and the failure of beauty in things badly made or grown would be most quickly perceived by one who was properly educated in music, and so, feeling distaste rightly, he would praise beautiful things and take delight in them and receive them into his soul to foster its growth and become himself beautiful and good.
But tell me this — can there be any communion between soberness and extravagant pleasure? But otherwise he must so associate with the objects of his care that there should never be any suspicion of anything further,. It has certainly made a fitting end, for surely the end and consummation of culture be love of the beautiful. For I, for my part, do not believe that a sound body by its excellence makes the soul good, but on the contrary that a good soul by its virtue renders the body the best that is possible.
What is your opinion? For a guardian is surely the last person in the world to whom it is allowable to get drunk and not know where on earth he is. These men are athletes in the greatest of contests, are they not? Don't you observe that they sleep away their lives, and that if they depart ever so little from their prescribed regimen these athletes are liable to great and violent diseases?
For you are aware that in the banqueting of the heroes on campaign he does not. For everywhere, one may say, it is of easier provision to use the bare fire than to convey pots and pans along.
Is not that something which all men in training understand — that if one is to keep his body in good condition he must abstain from such things altogether? While simplicity in music begets sobriety in the souls, and in gymnastic training it begets health in bodies. Do you not think. I infer this from the fact that at Troy his sons. But Herodicus was a trainer and became a valetudinarian, and blended.
And this we absurdly enough perceive in the case of a craftsman, but don't see in the case of the rich and so-called fortunate. But if anyone prescribes for him a long course of treatment with swathings about the head and their accompaniments, he hastily says that he has no leisure to be sick and that such a life of preoccupation with his illess and neglect of the work that lies before him isn't worth living.
And thereupon he bids farewell to that kind of physician,. For it is troublesome in household affairs and military service and sedentary offices in the city. So that wherever this kind of virtue is practiced and tested it is in every way a hindrance. For it makes the man always fancy himself sick and never cease from anguishing about his body.
And his sons too, don't you in see that at Troy they approved. But we in accordance with the aforesaid principles refuse to believe both statements, but if he was the son of a god he was not avaricious, we will insist, and if he was greedy of gain he was not the son of a god.
But what have you to say to this, Socrates , must we not have good physicians in our city? And they would be the most likely to be good who had treated the greatest number of healthy and diseased men,. For you see they do not treat the body by the body. If they did, it would not be allowable for their bodies to be or to have been in evil condition.
But they treat the body with the mind — and it is not competent for a mind that is or has been evil to treat anything well. For which cause the better sort seem to be simple-minded in youth and are easily deceived by the wicked,. For he who has a good soul is good. But that cunning fellow quick to suspect evil, and who has himself done many unjust acts and who thinks himself a smart trickster, when he associates with his like does appear to be clever, being on his guard and fixing his eyes on the patterns within himself.
But when the time comes for him to mingle with the good and his elders,. He is unseasonably distrustful and he cannot recognize a sound character because he has no such pattern in himself. But since he more often meets with the bad than the good, he seems to himself and to others to be rather wise than foolish. For while badness could never come to know both virtue and itself, native virtue through education. This one, then, as I think, is the man who proves to be wise and not the bad man.
And these arts will care for the bodies and souls of such of your citizens as are truly well born,. Or the disposition of those of the opposite habit? This if relaxed too far would be softer than is desirable but if rightly trained gentle and orderly? But when he continues the practice without remission and is spellbound, the effect begins to be that he melts and liquefies till he completely dissolves away his spirit, cuts out as it were the very sinews of his soul and makes of himself a 'feeble warrior.
The outcome is that such men are choleric and irascible instead of high-spirited, and are peevish and discontented. He no longer makes any use of persuasion by speech but achieves all his ends.
For why should one recite the list of the dances of such citizens, their hunts and chases with hounds , their athletic contests and races? It is pretty plain that they must conform to these principles and there is no longer any difficulty in discovering them. Is it not which ones among them shall be the rulers and the ruled? Or is it not an evil to be deceived in respect of the truth and a good to possess truth? And don't you think that to opine the things that are is to possess the truth?
Now I presume you understand, do you not? Then we must observe them from childhood up and propose them tasks in which one would be most likely to forget this principle or be deceived, and he whose memory is sure.
Just as men conduct colts to noises and uproar to see if they are liable to take fright, so we must bring these lads while young into fears. And he who as boy, lad, and man endures the test.
But the man of the other type we must reject. And yet I hardly know how to find the audacity or the words to speak and undertake to persuade first the rulers themselves and the soldiers and then the rest of the city, that in good sooth all our training and educating of them were things that they imagined and that happened to them as it were in a dream; but that in reality at that time they were down within the earth being molded and fostered themselves while.
And when they were quite finished the earth as being their mother delivered them, and now as if their land were their mother and their nurse they ought to take thought for her and defend her against any attack and regard the other citizens as their brothers and children of the self-same earth. While all of you in the city are brothers, we will say in our tale, yet God in fashioning those of you who are fitted to hold rule mingled gold in their generation, for which reason they are the most precious — but in the helpers silver, and iron and brass in the farmers and other craftsmen.
And as you are all akin, though for the most part you will breed after your kinds,. So that the first and chief injunction that the god lays upon the rulers is that of nothing else are they to be such careful guardians and so intently observant as of the intermixture of these metals in the souls of their offspring, and if sons are born to them with an infusion of brass or iron. And again, if from these there is born a son with unexpected gold or silver in his composition they shall honor such and bid them go up higher, some to the office of guardian, some to the assistanceship, alleging that there is an oracle that the state shall then be overthrown when the man of iron or brass is its guardian.
Do you see any way of getting them to believe this tale? For I think I apprehend your meaning. And this shall fall out as tradition guides. And when they have arrived they must look out for the fairest site in the city for their encampment,. And after they have encamped and sacrificed to the proper gods they must make their lairs, must they not?
For I presume you are speaking of their houses. In the first place, none must possess any private property save the indispensable. Secondly, none must have any habitation or treasure-house which is not open for all to enter at will. Their food, in such quantities as are needful for athletes of war sober and brave,.
And resorting to a common mess like soldiers on campaign they will live together. Gold and silver, we will tell them, they have of the divine quality from the gods always in their souls, and they have no need of the metal of men nor does holiness suffer them to mingle and contaminate that heavenly possession with the acquisition of mortal gold, since many impious deeds have been done about. But for these only of all the dwellers in the city it is not lawful to handle gold and silver and to touch them nor yet to come under the same roof with them, nor to hang them as ornaments on their limbs nor to drink from silver and gold.
So living they would save themselves and save their city. But whenever they shall acquire for themselves land of their own and houses and coin, they will be house-holders and farmers instead of guardians, and will be transformed. Shall we not? For the city really belongs to them and yet they get no enjoyment out of it as ordinary men do by owning lands and building fine big houses and providing them with suitable furniture and winning the favor of the gods by private sacrifices and entertaining guests and enjoying too those possessions which you just now spoke of, gold and silver and all that is customary for those who are expecting to be happy?
But they seem, one might say, to be established in idleness in the city,. These and many similar counts of the indictment you are omitting. For we shall say that while it would not surprise us if these men thus living prove to be the most happy, yet the object on which we fixed our eyes in the establishment of our state was not the exceptional happiness of any one class but the greatest possible happiness of the city as a whole. For we thought that in a state so constituted we should be most likely to discover justice as we should injustice.
Our first task then, we take it, is to mold the model of a happy state — we are not isolating a small class in it and postulating their happiness, but that of the city as a whole. But the opposite type of state we will consider presently. It is as if we were coloring a statue and someone approached and censured us, saying that we did not apply the most beautiful pigments to the most beautiful parts of the image, since the eyes, which are the most beautiful part, have not been painted with purple but with black —.
But observe whether by assigning what is proper to each we render the whole beautiful. But urge us not to this,. However, for the others it matters less. For cobblers who deteriorate and are spoiled and pretend to be the workmen that they are not are no great danger to a state. But guardians of laws and of the city who are not what they pretend to be, but only seem, destroy utterly, I would have you note, the entire state, and on the other hand, they alone are decisive of its good government and happiness.
If then we are forming true guardians. Consider, then, whether our aim in establishing the guardians is the greatest possible happiness among them or whether that is something we must look to see develop in the city as a whole, but these helpers and guardians. And so, as the entire city develops and is ordered well, each class is to be left, to the share of happiness that its nature comports.
Do you not think that one boxer perfectly trained in the art could easily fight two fat rich men who knew nothing of it? Would not such a fighter down even a number of such opponents? For they are each one of them many cities, not a city, as it goes in the game.
There are two at the least at enmity with one another, the city of the rich. If you deal with them as one you will altogether miss the mark, but if you treat them as a multiplicity by offering to the one faction the property, the power, the very persons of the other, you will continue always to have few enemies and many allies. And so long as your city is governed soberly in the order just laid down, it will be the greatest of cities. I do not mean greatest in repute, but in reality, even though it have only a thousand defenders.
For a city of this size. Or do you think otherwise? I mean that a sound nurture and education if kept up creates good natures in the state, and sound natures in turn receiving an education of this sort develop into better men than their predecessors.
But we must not praise that sort of thing nor conceive it to be the poet's meaning. For a change to a new type of music is something to beware of as a hazard of all our fortunes. For the modes of music are never disturbed without unsettling of the most fundamental political and social conventions, as Damon affirms and as I am convinced. For such laws are not obeyed nor would they last, being enacted only in words and on paper.
Does not like ever summon like? For most of the enactments that are needed about these things they will easily, I presume, discover. For with all their doctoring they accomplish nothing except to complicate and augment their maladies. And they are always hoping that some one will recommend a panacea that will restore their health. Don't you admire their valiance and light-hearted irresponsibility?
Do you think it possible for a man who does not know how to measure when a multitude of others equally ignorant assure him that he is four cubits tall.
For surely such fellows are the most charming spectacle in the world when they enact and amend such laws as we just now described and are perpetually expecting to find a way of putting an end to frauds in business and in the other matters of which I was speaking because they can't see that they are in very truth trying to cut off a Hydra 's head.
For this God surely is in such matters for all mankind the interpreter of the religion of their fathers who from his seat in the middle and at the very navel of the earth delivers his interpretation. The next thing is to procure a sufficient light somewhere and to look yourself, and call in the aid of your brother and of Polemarchus and the rest, if we may in any wise discover where justice and injustice should be in it, wherein they differ from one another and which of the two he must have who is to be happy, alike whether his condition is known or not known to all gods and men.
I think our city, if it has been rightly founded is good in the full sense of the word. If we were looking for any one of them in anything and recognized the object of our search first, that would have been enough for us, but if we had recognized the other three first, that in itself would have made known to us the thing we were seeking.
For plainly there was nothing left for it to be but the remainder. For it is not by ignorance but by knowledge that men counsel well. And as it appears. Is not that what you call bravery? And I may illustrate it by a similitude if you please. But otherwise you know what happens to them, whether anyone dips other colors or even these without the preparatory treatment.
The sole aim of our contrivance was that they should be convinced and receive our laws like a dye as it were, so that their belief and faith might be fast-colored both about the things that are to be feared and all other things because of the fitness of their nature and nurture, and that so their dyes might not be washed out by those lyes that have such dread power to scour our faiths away, pleasure more potent than any detergent or abstergent.
This power in the soul, then, this unfailing conservation of right and lawful belief about things to be and not to be feared is what I call and would assume to be courage, unless you have something different to say. Some other time, if it please you, we will discuss it more fully. At present we were not seeking this but justice; and for the purpose of that inquiry I believe we have done enough. But if you desire to please me, consider this before that. Is that not so?
For he who is master of himself would also be subject to himself,. For the same person is spoken of in all these expressions. It is, at any rate, a term of praise. But when, because of bad breeding or some association, the better part, which is the smaller, is dominated by the multitude of the worse, I think that our speech. For you will say that it is justly spoken of as master of itself if that in which the superior rules the inferior is to be called sober and self-mastered.
In the rulers or in the ruled? That is not the way of soberness, but it extends literally through the entire gamut throughout, bringing about the unison in the same chant of the strongest, the weakest and the intermediate, whether in wisdom or, if you please, in strength, or for that matter in numbers, wealth, or any similar criterion.
So that we should be quite right in affirming this unanimity to be soberness, the concord of the naturally superior and inferior. What can be the remaining form that would give the city still another virtue? For it is obvious that the remainder is justice. It plainly must be somewhere hereabouts. Keep your eyes open then and do your best to descry it. You may see it before I do and point it out to me. So we did not turn our eyes upon it, but looked off into the distance, which perhaps was the reason it escaped us.
For what we laid down in the beginning as a universal requirement when we were founding our city, this I think, or some form of this, is justice.
And what we did lay down, and often said, you recall, was that each one man must perform one social service in the state for which his nature is best adapted. Do you know whence I infer this? And I hardly need to remind you that. Will you not assign the conduct of lawsuits in your state to the rulers?
Nothing else but this. A carpenter undertaking to do the work of a cobbler or a cobbler of a carpenter or their interchange of one another's tools or honors or even the attempt of the same man to do both — the confounding of all other functions would not, think you, greatly injure a state, would it? The proper functioning of the money-making class, the helpers and the guardians, each doing its own work in the state, being the reverse of that just described, would be justice and would render the city just.
But if not, then we will look for something else. But now let us work out the inquiry in which we supposed that, if we found some larger thing that contained justice and viewed it there, we should more easily discover its nature in the individual man. What, then, we thought we saw there we must refer back to the individual and, if it is confirmed, all will be well. But if something different manifests itself in the individual, we will return again.
For there is another longer and harder way that conducts to this. Yet we may perhaps discuss it on the level of previous statements and inquiries. They could not get there from any other source.
It would be absurd to suppose that the element of high spirit was not derived in states from the private citizens who are reputed to have this quality as the populations of the Thracian and Scythian lands and generally of northern regions; or the quality of love of knowledge, which would chiefly be attributed to the region where we dwell,.
That is what is really hard to determine properly. So that if ever we find these contradictions in the functions of the mind. If anyone should say of a man standing still but moving his hands and head that the same man is at the same time at rest and in motion we should not, I take it, regard that as the right way of expressing it, but rather that a part of him is at rest and a part in motion.
Will you not say, for example, that the soul of one who desires either strives for that which he desires or draws towards its embrace what it wishes to accrue to it; or again, in so far as it wills that anything be presented to it, nods assent to itself thereon as if someone put the question, striving towards its attainment?
I mean is thirst thirst for hot drink or cold or much or little or in a word for a draught of any particular quality, or is it the fact that if heat. But if owing to the presence of muchness the thirst is much it would render it a thirst for much and if little for little. But mere thirst will never be desire of anything else than that of which it is its nature to be, mere drink, and so hunger of food.
The epithets belong to the quality — such or such. Is not the way of it the same? Science which is just that, is of knowledge which is just that, or is of whatsoever we must assume the correlate of science to be. But a particular science of a particular kind is of some particular thing of a particular kind. And similarly of the other arts and sciences?
And I don't at all mean that they are of the same kind as the things of which they are, so that we are to suppose that the science of health and disease is a healthy and diseased science and that of evil and good, evil and good. I only mean that as science became the science not of just the thing of which science is but of some particular kind of thing, namely, of health and disease, the result was that it itself became some kind of science and this caused it to be no longer called simply science but with the addition of the particular kind, medical science.
For it cannot be, we say, that the same thing with the same part of itself at the same time acts in opposite ways about the same thing. But now the Thumos or principle of high spirit, that with which we feel anger, is it a third, or would it be identical in nature with one of these? For then we supposed it to be a part of the appetitive, but now, far from that, we say that, in the factions of the soul, it much rather marshals itself on the side of the reason.
They will keep watch upon it, lest, by being filled and infected with the so-called pleasures associated with the body and so waxing big and strong, it may not keep to its own work.
But the truth of the matter was, as it seems,. Something of this sort, I fancy, is what we shall say, and that the confusion of these principles and their straying from their proper course is injustice and licentiousness and cowardice and brutish ignorance and, in general, all turpitude. If one man of surpassing merit rose among the rulers, it would be denominated royalty; if more than one, aristocracy.
And I was going on to enumerate them in what seemed to me the order of their evolution from one another,. There might be many ways. Don't, then, pass over the one. For we have long been lying in wait for you, expecting that you would say something both of the procreation of children and their bringing up, and would explain the whole matter of the community of women and children of which you speak.
We think that the right or wrong management of this makes a great difference, all the difference in the world, in the constitution of a state; so now, since you are beginning on another constitution before sufficiently defining this, we are firmly resolved,. What a huge debate you have started afresh, as it were, about this polity, in the supposed completion of which I was rejoicing, being only too glad to have it accepted.
You don't realize what a swarm of arguments you are stirring up by this demand, which I foresaw and evaded to save us no end of trouble. So don't consider us, and do not you yourself grow weary. Try, then, to tell us what must be the manner of it. For one might doubt whether what is proposed is possible and, even conceding the possibility, one might still be sceptical whether it is best.
For, if I were confident that I was speaking with knowledge, it would be an excellent encouragement. But to speak when one doubts himself and is seeking while he talks is. The fear is not of being laughed at, for that is childish, but, lest, missing the truth, I fall down and drag my friends with me in matters where it most imports not to stumble. So I salute Nemesis , Glaucon , in what I am about to say.
For, indeed, I believe that involuntary homicide is a lesser fault than to mislead opinion about the honorable, the good, and the just. This is a risk that it is better to run with enemies. So speak on with confidence. Our endeavor, I believe, was to establish these men in our discourse as the guardians of a flock?
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