A large size like we use here in the Wyoming oil Fields. Could have dug down easily, within 8 to 10 hours. It was unfortunately too dangerous to pull his body out. They literally would have had to cut him up to get him out. And there was no sense in continuing to risk the safety of the rescue team for a deceased body.
Are you saying that people are still exploring that cave system? And Do you think his remains could be rescued now so that his family could have a proper burial for him? I am no expert and i am not laying the blame at any ones door, i am just asking a question- Would it have been possible to drill down from the surface adjacent to where John was trapped approx ft down and got him out that way? Everything happened within hours.
The first responders arrived there in hours and immediately began the rescue efforts. It would have taken so much more time to locate him from above, to get the necessary machinery and personnel, and to start drilling through the extremely hard rock with enough time and precision to reach him in time and not kill him in the process.
It was so much easier and quicker to access him through the available path. I imagine if they had more days or weeks they would have definitely considered that.
Thanks for your reply. I understand what you have said, but John was alive for approx 27 hours. He was stuck in an incredibly small space, facing upside down. In practice, cave rescue operations nearly always take place via the already existing cave paths. That said, these are my thoughts and you could be right. Rotary diamond drilling would have taken longer to set up and reach John than the 26 hours he stayed alive after getting stuck.
The guy chose to squeeze himself into rock that is so thick and so hard it would take yeah take a kiloton bomb blast to even knock away half of the rocks surrounding him. I think a decision should have been made to pull him out no matter how much he screamed.
They should have broke his legs and ripped him out of that hole and fixed him after he was out and alive. I understand he was screaming in pain but I guarantee you he would have rather got out busted and broken rather then dying how he did. I read another story the other day about a guy who was with a whole bunch of friends in a cave that was like 2 miles down and when he was crawling through 1 of the caves a rock came loose from above him and hit him right on his back and paralyzed him a mile or 2 underground.
It was a cave in Canada and everybody left to go get help but 1 person stayed with him. After a long time rescue finally reached him and a doctor examined him and found he broke his spine and was paralyzed. I think it took them 10 hours to move him like feet because the backboard kept getting stuck and they had to keep repositioning him. So 1 of the rescuers was an explosives expert and decided the only way was dynamite. They had to blast 7 or 8 diff parts of the caves in all diff areas to get this dude out on a backboard.
I think it took them like 30 hours and a lot of rescuers but they did it. All these people put their lives at risk because somebody wants to go and squeeze through caves for a rush. I think you need to sign a waiver when going into caves like these that if you injure yourself or get lost or disabled in some way that your ultimately on your own and nobody is going to risk their life because of your stupidity and need to crawl into a cave miles below the surface.
Bones, especially legs, have a rich blood supply. Breaking his legs would have caused blood loss. One broken femur can result in liters of blood loss. The pain could also cause shock.
Those concerns had to be considered as well. They eventually decided to risk it, but the attempt failed. Also, a bit of insight on the people who do these things: A lot of them are volunteers. They go to training sessions, pay for their own gear, and completely disrupt their personal lives to do this because they love it. It would have been the same had they succeeded here. The people involved love brainstorming. They love figuring out how to implement a solution.
They go through occasional tragedies like this and dozens of routine, boring calls, for that one case where it all comes together and they save someone. Had they managed to pull John out alive, the preceding thirty hours would have melted away.
So you break both his legs, then loft his entire body weight by his ankles for 30 seconds to a minute as he is lifted out. I would be concerned his legs would be ripped off. This was about the most difficult situation I can imagine for all parties. Rescuers got to him at like 1 in the morning and worked for nearly 30 hours straight. I would probably have been begging for a gun by the end if I was John.
How could he crawl out of the cave with his legs broken? Also there was bo way they could drug him. His heart was not pumping blood on his legs. The drugs would not work. Makes me claustrophobic thinking in how anyone would choose to do this. I got claustrophobic just getting into an MRI machine lol.
Crawling on my belly to a large room in the cave. Once was enough for me. I am so claustrophobic that they have to sedate me going into an MRI. Omg I know right!! They were able to sedate him. He was also losing touch with reality towards the end like asking why they put him in there. What a terrible way to go. This is such a sad, tragic story. The Nutty Putty Cave is located in an obscure part of Utah miles from a paved road.
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Link to another great resource. Edit Review Delete Review. Reply Cancel. Add Location. Embed Arena Where do you plan to embed this code? You had to work hard to get in trouble. Almost all caves form in limestone, which, over long periods of time, is slowly eaten away by slightly acidic groundwater. Nutty Putty is also a limestone cave, but instead of being dissolved by water dripping in from above, it was created from the bottom up by hydrothermal activity. Paulson explains that Nutty Putty is what's known as a hypogenic cave, formed when superheated water is forced upward into a bed of limestone, and minerals in the water eat away at the rock above to create cave shafts.
It was very characteristic of a hypogenic cave. Perhaps because of its hydrothermal past, temperatures inside Nutty Putty stayed around 55 degrees Fahrenheit A survey conducted in was able to map 1, feet meters of cave to a depth of feet 44 meters from the surface. The most recognizable characteristic of the cave was the strangely viscous clay oozing from some of its walls, which the cave's first explorer, a man named Dale Green, compared to Nutty Putty, the original product name for Silly Putty.
Like Silly Putty, the clay would change from a solid to an elastic fluid when lightly squeezed. Downey says that the clay was even "sound active," meaning that if you yelled at it, it would ooze and move. Analyses done on the clay in the s found that it was composed of tiny particles of silicon dioxide the main component of sand roughly 3 microns less than 0. Since Nutty Putty was such a popular cave, attracting thousands of visitors a year, it was perhaps inevitable that a few amateur cavers would get themselves into trouble.
From to , six different people became stuck in one of Nutty Putty's narrow passages.
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